Yeah I saw the map at Twitter. Since I'm still banned, I'll comment here.
In the case of Spain and France I want to see the regional breakdown. The 20% for Spain is overall?, Castille, etc? You get the idea. Spain and France under siege by a hostile elite ; in the case of Spain, well it's been a problem for 500 years. Ferran the Catholic belonged to the Castilian branch of the Trasmuntana family and only had a claim to Aragon through some distant ancestor through the mom side.
In any case, I'll just summarize that ever since the Catalan officials picked Ferran over Jaume III of Urgell, it was clear that there would be unending conflict.
Catalunya-Arago was already evolving towards a proto parliamentary system with division of powers.
Castille was a crusader kingdom that still hadn't totally reconquered its lands at the time Ferran became king of Catalunya-Arago.
So the former was an aristocratic warrior society (Prussia had a similar problem) and has remained so to this day. It's never been able to change course as times changed. And that's been the problem.
Isn’t it amazing how things that happened centuries ago still reverberate today? This is fascinating stuff. I know so little about Spanish history and culture that I love any firsthand bits I can get. Thanks for this Xavier.
Yup. Well to be honest I'm biased, opinated and controversall when it comes to Spain :)
Another example. Public schools. Intellectuals abuse the word decolonization but with public schools it's both apt and necessary.
Ok. Public schools came from a European region that no longer exists (aka Prussia) arising from a specific historical event (the Prussian are defeated by the French! The French under Napoleon)and their feelz were hurt.
Solution? Create a public school system without parental or other external interference (aka the town/village), brainwashing kids to be good workers and soldiers. I'm convinced that had public schools not existed, WW I might never have happened or remained a local event in the Balkans.
There are so many other examples you can pick at random.
The denazification process was more than successful. When I went to school in the 90ies history class was the "Ersatz" worship. I wonder how to break that spell without going back to the 1933 to 45 period.
I’m ashamed that America was so involved in completely breaking the German spirit (after committing war crimes—ditto against the Japanese) that it was “turnabout is fair play,” I get, but it’s hard to swallow considering how much BS this country spews about always being 100% of intentions and outcomes 100% of the time.
Spells like this can be broken without Naziism reviving. Naziism arose at a specific point in time under a specific set of circumstances, driven by specific people who are long dead. This fear that “nationalism (in European/Anglo countries) = death camps” is one of the most retarded intellectual prisons the modern world has to offer. So obvious, because we live in Binary Land where nuance is a foreign concept, the only alternative is, naturally, “Stop having children, throw open your borders, and commit cultural suicide.” Progress!
I agree that it is possible. I could imagine a prime minister in the Viktor Orban mould but the anti-German forces are very strong within the country and also outside like our rulers in Washington. I fear that has to get significantly worse before some kind of reaction will be possible.
It would take a leader with a combination of patriotism, strong morals, and restraint that I think doesn’t exist in the vast majority of western countries, or perhaps ANY country.
Agreed about Washington being the impediment. After WW II, America finally realized its dream of reducing Europe to an American-controlled outpost. Very sad.
It is really hard to distinguish whether politicians just fake the requirements you listed to gain votes or really live by them. I had at least the impression that some politicians still care for their country (e.g. Orban, Putin, Lee Kuan Yew).
I often wonder if and when Europe will be able to emancipate from the USA. Currently, it looks like it will remain an outpost for a long time.
Though I'm a typical American mutt whose DNA cocktail includes Irish, German, and Nordic blood, I
can also trace progenitors back to the earliest Pilgrim/Puritan settlers in New England. So whenever I see lazy and revisionist garbage in media about poor innocent wahmen being burned at the stake for witchery in Salem, it truly boils my blood. Those are my people they're defaming, my people both by blood and creed.
I also can claim at least half a dozen direct ancestors who served in the American Revolution, and not a Tory among them. I guess that explains my feeling of "let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it."
What the ingrates and deviants can't understand is that our love of heritage (when it is rightly ordered, as St. Augustine says) is far from divisive. In fact, it's uniting. It's akin to love for our mothers, and though we each love our mother and consider her the best, we respect and admire any other good man who does the same towards his mother.
Right on Carlton. Just because we love our individual families more than we love other strangers does not necessarily mean that we HATE those strangers. But people are either unwilling or unable--and I mean that in the purest sense as it relates to their raw intellectual capacity--to understand this.
Different families can be good neighbors to each other. Extend this out and you get, my goodness, you get NATIONS.
And, I might add, the Scripture says nations will endure even after He returns, and makes all things new. Revelation 21:24-26: "The *nations* will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the *nations* into it."
Does this mean America, Greece, France, Nigeria, etc will exist as political entities like we know them now? I don't think so. Nonetheless, their distinct peoples will remain.
And they will all be united in Him. Maranatha, Lord Jesus!
Alexander,
Yeah I saw the map at Twitter. Since I'm still banned, I'll comment here.
In the case of Spain and France I want to see the regional breakdown. The 20% for Spain is overall?, Castille, etc? You get the idea. Spain and France under siege by a hostile elite ; in the case of Spain, well it's been a problem for 500 years. Ferran the Catholic belonged to the Castilian branch of the Trasmuntana family and only had a claim to Aragon through some distant ancestor through the mom side.
In any case, I'll just summarize that ever since the Catalan officials picked Ferran over Jaume III of Urgell, it was clear that there would be unending conflict.
Catalunya-Arago was already evolving towards a proto parliamentary system with division of powers.
Castille was a crusader kingdom that still hadn't totally reconquered its lands at the time Ferran became king of Catalunya-Arago.
So the former was an aristocratic warrior society (Prussia had a similar problem) and has remained so to this day. It's never been able to change course as times changed. And that's been the problem.
xavier
Isn’t it amazing how things that happened centuries ago still reverberate today? This is fascinating stuff. I know so little about Spanish history and culture that I love any firsthand bits I can get. Thanks for this Xavier.
Alexander,
Yup. Well to be honest I'm biased, opinated and controversall when it comes to Spain :)
Another example. Public schools. Intellectuals abuse the word decolonization but with public schools it's both apt and necessary.
Ok. Public schools came from a European region that no longer exists (aka Prussia) arising from a specific historical event (the Prussian are defeated by the French! The French under Napoleon)and their feelz were hurt.
Solution? Create a public school system without parental or other external interference (aka the town/village), brainwashing kids to be good workers and soldiers. I'm convinced that had public schools not existed, WW I might never have happened or remained a local event in the Balkans.
There are so many other examples you can pick at random.
xavier
What is this weird self-loathing that only Europeans seem to have? Very troubling.
They feel guilty for bringing progress to barbarians, since that's violating the Prime Directive or something.
Is this the bier thing of the “Star Trek Ruins Everything” hypothesis of pop culture/foreign policy symbiosis?
That was supposed to say “birth,” dang it, not “bier thing.”
The map muß be wrong. Germany wants to disappear from the earth due to eternal guilt. So 0% seems way more realistic than 45%.
Yeah, something is up in Deutschland. Germans went from being über-patriotic to completely self-loathing. No middle ground whatsoever.
The denazification process was more than successful. When I went to school in the 90ies history class was the "Ersatz" worship. I wonder how to break that spell without going back to the 1933 to 45 period.
I’m ashamed that America was so involved in completely breaking the German spirit (after committing war crimes—ditto against the Japanese) that it was “turnabout is fair play,” I get, but it’s hard to swallow considering how much BS this country spews about always being 100% of intentions and outcomes 100% of the time.
Spells like this can be broken without Naziism reviving. Naziism arose at a specific point in time under a specific set of circumstances, driven by specific people who are long dead. This fear that “nationalism (in European/Anglo countries) = death camps” is one of the most retarded intellectual prisons the modern world has to offer. So obvious, because we live in Binary Land where nuance is a foreign concept, the only alternative is, naturally, “Stop having children, throw open your borders, and commit cultural suicide.” Progress!
I agree that it is possible. I could imagine a prime minister in the Viktor Orban mould but the anti-German forces are very strong within the country and also outside like our rulers in Washington. I fear that has to get significantly worse before some kind of reaction will be possible.
It would take a leader with a combination of patriotism, strong morals, and restraint that I think doesn’t exist in the vast majority of western countries, or perhaps ANY country.
Agreed about Washington being the impediment. After WW II, America finally realized its dream of reducing Europe to an American-controlled outpost. Very sad.
It is really hard to distinguish whether politicians just fake the requirements you listed to gain votes or really live by them. I had at least the impression that some politicians still care for their country (e.g. Orban, Putin, Lee Kuan Yew).
I often wonder if and when Europe will be able to emancipate from the USA. Currently, it looks like it will remain an outpost for a long time.
Though I'm a typical American mutt whose DNA cocktail includes Irish, German, and Nordic blood, I
can also trace progenitors back to the earliest Pilgrim/Puritan settlers in New England. So whenever I see lazy and revisionist garbage in media about poor innocent wahmen being burned at the stake for witchery in Salem, it truly boils my blood. Those are my people they're defaming, my people both by blood and creed.
I also can claim at least half a dozen direct ancestors who served in the American Revolution, and not a Tory among them. I guess that explains my feeling of "let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it."
What the ingrates and deviants can't understand is that our love of heritage (when it is rightly ordered, as St. Augustine says) is far from divisive. In fact, it's uniting. It's akin to love for our mothers, and though we each love our mother and consider her the best, we respect and admire any other good man who does the same towards his mother.
Right on Carlton. Just because we love our individual families more than we love other strangers does not necessarily mean that we HATE those strangers. But people are either unwilling or unable--and I mean that in the purest sense as it relates to their raw intellectual capacity--to understand this.
Different families can be good neighbors to each other. Extend this out and you get, my goodness, you get NATIONS.
And, I might add, the Scripture says nations will endure even after He returns, and makes all things new. Revelation 21:24-26: "The *nations* will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the *nations* into it."
Does this mean America, Greece, France, Nigeria, etc will exist as political entities like we know them now? I don't think so. Nonetheless, their distinct peoples will remain.
And they will all be united in Him. Maranatha, Lord Jesus!
Exactly!