Some might consider this post a lark, but it's more important than they think. For all its faults, the Left had a vision they could rally the troops toward. Their shiny, sexy utopia's failure to materialize hasn't been enough to defeat them, though. Because you can only fight a vision with a better vision.
Right on. And this post isn’t intended to be a lark. In coming up with a fictional future, I tried to make one that is PLAUSIBLE, assuming a few big things break in a certain direction. And it’s definitely supposed to be a positive vision. I think with order and competence people can get over the theoretical and philosophical aspects of Americanness that so many get hung up on.
What I like about it is that it’s a way *forward*, not some attempt to turn back the clock demographically or politically. This looks like a plausible way to reorganize society.
Thanks man. Exactly. Because mass deportations are not happening. Christian theocracy is not happening. Pre-World War I mentalities and moralities are not coming back. We have to deal with things as they are NOW. Progressivism doesn’t work, American-style conservatism doesn’t work, hyper-individualism doesn’t work, and libertarianism doesn’t work. Time to jettison them all.
This is what I keep saying until I’m blue in the face, and beyond. The 90s seem great by comparison, but the fully grown monster we’re living with now was just a teenager then, and all teenagers grow up eventually.
I recently remembered while watching Blackpilled's Gay '90s series that they used to play pro-gay propaganda in school and I used to dislike it because I, and everyone else, didn't realize what this had to do with us as kids. Of course I know now, and looking back it's very obvious, but there was plenty of this sort of thing back then. The one he played on stream later was uncovered to have been spearheaded by a member of the Weather Underground. The'90s are over done, long forgotten. No one can realistically Retvrn to that.
I have my predictions about where things will go in the years ahead, but I do not see this forever slide down the slippery slope continuing indefinitely. It can't. Unless the fall is controlled and regulated, and done soon, the landing is only going to get messier once the bottom is hit.
That’s the thing: eventually the slide will get so bad even progressive leftists will start to demand change. I still stand by my prediction, though, that change will never happen as long as it’s about something only white peoples are demanding change about. There needs to be a white-some other racial group axis to give the powers-that-be enough cover to assuage themselves that they won’t be acting “racist” by, you know, addressing problems that negatively affect Americans. This country is nuts and it’s run by madmen. But we have to see things as they are. That’s where I am right now.
I'll have to disagree with you about the demographics. The way I see it, the future population of America will consist of working class/religious Whites, working class/religious Hispanics, and mixed White/Hispanic couples because those are the only groups that have an above replacement birth rate. And given their religiosity, they'll be much more intolerant of degeneracy than what you let on.
Look, peoples change. I’m Greek, and I have no pretensions that I’m 100 percent genetically similar to Aristotle and Alexander and Leonidas and Themistocles and any of them, though I’m sure I have SOME similarity. Maybe more so to later legends and heroes like Ypsilantis and Kolokotronis. Point is, I’m still GREEK. Culture is powerful. That said, no one within living memory lived through that change. Here in the United States, we ARE living through it, and it can be very disorienting. But American culture as a thing will still exist in some form.
The funny thing about Bukele is that even though he's a darling of the right-wing, he's basically a walking proof against a significant portion of the right, that being the wignats/white nationalists. You know, the type who go on and on about how black/brown people do crime and whatever. True, and all it takes to fix it is to lock up the criminals. You don't need some pie in the sky "whiteland". And on the other side, the quietist types should take heart (or rather, take action).
Anyways, great essay. It's a vision I can get behind, and one that's actually possible. This is actually similar to how I envision my 23rd century Indonesia in Bima Sakti where it's multi-ethnic and multi-religious. It's not a utopia, but it's not a dystopia either.
And speaking of Indonesia, they do have a "Ministry of Religious Affairs" that tries to make sure all the major religions get along. And it has to be a "recognized religion", so you can't just make a joke religion or a cult and get away with it. It's not perfect based on what I've heard from a Christian relative there, where building churches/holding events can be a pain because the country's majority muslim, but I'm inclined to think this is just a bureaucratic thing. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think it's necessarily a malicious thing. And in any case, if you believe in your religion, you should do what you can to spread it (not saying I approve what they're doing, but I can respect it).
Yeah, there’s a lot about identitarian politics l, white and otherwise, that so very often doesn’t quite stand up when confronted by reality. Although “Hispanic” is a bit of ridiculous classification because it’s not about race/skin-color. I mean, I know people who are white as can be, descendants of Europeans who settled in Latin America, and they’re considered not-white, and therefore gain under America’s insane lunatic racial spoils system, while my Greek ass is several shades darker than them but I get zero benefit due to being of European ancestry (marginal European ancestry, depending on who you ask). It’s weird. Such a weird country. This is why I predict a weird future, though one that may actually work.
I think that ministry you describe in Indonesia will be needed in the future fictional America I posit, because multiculturalism only works when EVERY group is treated with the same kid gloves as every other. Otherwise, you get chaos. This is the path America is currently on, that I think can be avoided if enough people demand order and competence and get over America’s historical founding and philosophies, as much as I hate to say it. America as founded in the late 18th century only works with a statistically and culturally dominant Anglo majority with a significant African minority. Otherwise, it is not workable. There’s a reason no other nation implements an American-style system.
People want order and stability. They want a safe place in which to have children and build prosperous communities. It's not an exclusively white thing, it's human nature.
Exactly. And this order is imposed by the heavy use of force and state power. The American idea of hyper-individualism might have worked okay when there was a frontier people could abscond to, and when the country was full of Americans as historically understood, but it just doesn’t work anymore with America as currently constituted. It’s too big, too multicultural, and too fractious.
Hey! Maybe I’m a pink pants ENTHUSIAST, but I’m hardly a fetishist. But you have to admit, those are some sweet pants.
Anyway, my brother and I were medium-sized pro-wrestling fans when we were younger. I always liked the Ultimate Warrior the best, but Brett “The Hitman” Hart was pretty cool as well.
Enthusiast fits better. The pants Look awesome, especially in combination with the leather jacket and sunglasses.
I enjoyed Wrestling very much when the wrestlers looked crazy as f... like the Warrior or Randy Savage, but I always enjoyed stuff that is totally over the top.
Some might consider this post a lark, but it's more important than they think. For all its faults, the Left had a vision they could rally the troops toward. Their shiny, sexy utopia's failure to materialize hasn't been enough to defeat them, though. Because you can only fight a vision with a better vision.
Right on. And this post isn’t intended to be a lark. In coming up with a fictional future, I tried to make one that is PLAUSIBLE, assuming a few big things break in a certain direction. And it’s definitely supposed to be a positive vision. I think with order and competence people can get over the theoretical and philosophical aspects of Americanness that so many get hung up on.
What I like about it is that it’s a way *forward*, not some attempt to turn back the clock demographically or politically. This looks like a plausible way to reorganize society.
Thanks man. Exactly. Because mass deportations are not happening. Christian theocracy is not happening. Pre-World War I mentalities and moralities are not coming back. We have to deal with things as they are NOW. Progressivism doesn’t work, American-style conservatism doesn’t work, hyper-individualism doesn’t work, and libertarianism doesn’t work. Time to jettison them all.
A lot of folks want to go back to the 90s, but that's just a roundabout way of saying "I want to be right back here in 30 years."
This is what I keep saying until I’m blue in the face, and beyond. The 90s seem great by comparison, but the fully grown monster we’re living with now was just a teenager then, and all teenagers grow up eventually.
True that. The seeds were planted all the way back then.
I recently remembered while watching Blackpilled's Gay '90s series that they used to play pro-gay propaganda in school and I used to dislike it because I, and everyone else, didn't realize what this had to do with us as kids. Of course I know now, and looking back it's very obvious, but there was plenty of this sort of thing back then. The one he played on stream later was uncovered to have been spearheaded by a member of the Weather Underground. The'90s are over done, long forgotten. No one can realistically Retvrn to that.
I have my predictions about where things will go in the years ahead, but I do not see this forever slide down the slippery slope continuing indefinitely. It can't. Unless the fall is controlled and regulated, and done soon, the landing is only going to get messier once the bottom is hit.
That’s the thing: eventually the slide will get so bad even progressive leftists will start to demand change. I still stand by my prediction, though, that change will never happen as long as it’s about something only white peoples are demanding change about. There needs to be a white-some other racial group axis to give the powers-that-be enough cover to assuage themselves that they won’t be acting “racist” by, you know, addressing problems that negatively affect Americans. This country is nuts and it’s run by madmen. But we have to see things as they are. That’s where I am right now.
I'll have to disagree with you about the demographics. The way I see it, the future population of America will consist of working class/religious Whites, working class/religious Hispanics, and mixed White/Hispanic couples because those are the only groups that have an above replacement birth rate. And given their religiosity, they'll be much more intolerant of degeneracy than what you let on.
That’s very plausible.
Look, peoples change. I’m Greek, and I have no pretensions that I’m 100 percent genetically similar to Aristotle and Alexander and Leonidas and Themistocles and any of them, though I’m sure I have SOME similarity. Maybe more so to later legends and heroes like Ypsilantis and Kolokotronis. Point is, I’m still GREEK. Culture is powerful. That said, no one within living memory lived through that change. Here in the United States, we ARE living through it, and it can be very disorienting. But American culture as a thing will still exist in some form.
The funny thing about Bukele is that even though he's a darling of the right-wing, he's basically a walking proof against a significant portion of the right, that being the wignats/white nationalists. You know, the type who go on and on about how black/brown people do crime and whatever. True, and all it takes to fix it is to lock up the criminals. You don't need some pie in the sky "whiteland". And on the other side, the quietist types should take heart (or rather, take action).
Anyways, great essay. It's a vision I can get behind, and one that's actually possible. This is actually similar to how I envision my 23rd century Indonesia in Bima Sakti where it's multi-ethnic and multi-religious. It's not a utopia, but it's not a dystopia either.
And speaking of Indonesia, they do have a "Ministry of Religious Affairs" that tries to make sure all the major religions get along. And it has to be a "recognized religion", so you can't just make a joke religion or a cult and get away with it. It's not perfect based on what I've heard from a Christian relative there, where building churches/holding events can be a pain because the country's majority muslim, but I'm inclined to think this is just a bureaucratic thing. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think it's necessarily a malicious thing. And in any case, if you believe in your religion, you should do what you can to spread it (not saying I approve what they're doing, but I can respect it).
Yeah, there’s a lot about identitarian politics l, white and otherwise, that so very often doesn’t quite stand up when confronted by reality. Although “Hispanic” is a bit of ridiculous classification because it’s not about race/skin-color. I mean, I know people who are white as can be, descendants of Europeans who settled in Latin America, and they’re considered not-white, and therefore gain under America’s insane lunatic racial spoils system, while my Greek ass is several shades darker than them but I get zero benefit due to being of European ancestry (marginal European ancestry, depending on who you ask). It’s weird. Such a weird country. This is why I predict a weird future, though one that may actually work.
I think that ministry you describe in Indonesia will be needed in the future fictional America I posit, because multiculturalism only works when EVERY group is treated with the same kid gloves as every other. Otherwise, you get chaos. This is the path America is currently on, that I think can be avoided if enough people demand order and competence and get over America’s historical founding and philosophies, as much as I hate to say it. America as founded in the late 18th century only works with a statistically and culturally dominant Anglo majority with a significant African minority. Otherwise, it is not workable. There’s a reason no other nation implements an American-style system.
People want order and stability. They want a safe place in which to have children and build prosperous communities. It's not an exclusively white thing, it's human nature.
Exactly. And this order is imposed by the heavy use of force and state power. The American idea of hyper-individualism might have worked okay when there was a frontier people could abscond to, and when the country was full of Americans as historically understood, but it just doesn’t work anymore with America as currently constituted. It’s too big, too multicultural, and too fractious.
Looking at the picture and your pink pants fetish, I was wondering whether you were a fan of Bret Hart as a child?
Hey! Maybe I’m a pink pants ENTHUSIAST, but I’m hardly a fetishist. But you have to admit, those are some sweet pants.
Anyway, my brother and I were medium-sized pro-wrestling fans when we were younger. I always liked the Ultimate Warrior the best, but Brett “The Hitman” Hart was pretty cool as well.
Enthusiast fits better. The pants Look awesome, especially in combination with the leather jacket and sunglasses.
I enjoyed Wrestling very much when the wrestlers looked crazy as f... like the Warrior or Randy Savage, but I always enjoyed stuff that is totally over the top.
Randy Savage was hilarious. Gone too soon.